PROFILE
keramicheski
TROPHY ROAD
I
Highest: 51,853
WINS
RANKED
SILVER I
CURRENT
750
GOLD II
HIGHEST
2,190
CHAMPIONSHIP CHALLENGE
✕ Not qualified
GLOBAL FAME I
Experience Level
Brawl Stars removed experience, but Supercell keeps adding it up behind the scenes with every game. This is the current value; in the game, under Your Previous Stats, it is frozen at what you had when it was removed, so there you will see a lower number.
Playtime (estimate)
Estimated from their wins: each 3v3 win is a number of matches (according to the typical win rate of active players) times how long a match lasts plus the minimum wait between one and the next, and each Showdown win, the matches it takes for a typical player to win one. These values are measured every day with a random sample of active players and are the same for everyone. It is a low estimate: modes without a win counter (duels, events…) do not count, nor does time in the menu.
The API only gives wins: losses are worked out from the measured win rate. In 3v3, 64.8 % of matches are won, so each win means about 1.5 matches; in Showdown, 2.5 in Solo and 1.9 in Duo.
From games≈ 161 h
3v3: 470 wins ÷ 64.8% win rate × (92 s per game + 25 s of waiting and loading)
Solo Showdown: 1,937 wins ÷ 40 % of matches that are a win × 90 s per match (with the wait)
Duo Showdown: 321 wins ÷ 52 % of matches that are a win × 90 s per match (with the wait)
The win rate and the Showdown percentages are those of a typical active player, the same for everyone: this way the figure does not go up or down with a streak.
The wait (25 s) is what any match costs even if you play again straight away: results, matchmaking and loading. We measured it on thousands of back-to-back matches of random players: it is the most common time between one match and the next; anything longer is time in the menu and does not count.
Where each value comes from
| Value | Measured | Sample |
|---|---|---|
| 3v3 win rate | 64.8 % | 2,803,863 matches (last 30 days) |
| Length of a 3v3 match | 92 s | 2,803,863 matches (last 30 days) |
| Solo Showdown matches that are a win | 39.8 % | 987,159 matches (last 30 days) |
| Duo Showdown matches that are a win | 51.6 % | 616,263 matches (last 30 days) |
| Length of a Showdown match | 65 s | 1,488,566 matches (last 30 days) |
| Wait between matches | 25 s | 4,124 waits from 400 random players (most common: 25-29 s) |
Without waiting time: ≈ 118 h
Without tracking
With tracking
Player frames
Blue and pink only show with your account signed in, and only you see them.
What updates and how often
| Section | Without tracking | With tracking |
|---|---|---|
| Profile, brawlers, skill, value and investment | When the profile is opened (at most 2–3 min old) | When the profile is opened (at most 2–3 min old) |
| Battle log | The last 25 (what the API gives) | Every battle, saved at each check and when the profile is opened, plus the ranked points won or lost in each one |
| Teammates | From their last 25 battles | From all saved battles |
| Progress, trophy road and ranked points | — | At every check (daily charts: one snapshot per day) |
| Statistics | The last 25 (when the profile is opened) | At every check |
| Best rank per season | The current season. The BrawlHub GG ranked top 200: their best rank of each season since season 49 | At every check |
| Club history | Only joins and leaves in clubs with tracking | Also their own club changes, at every check |
| Championship Challenge | — | Their Championship matches (wins and losses) and whether they qualified, saved since 8 Oct 2026 |
| Cosmetics catalog | Everything is ticked by hand | The skins we see them wear are ticked automatically and can't be unticked (a skin is never taken away); the rest, by hand |
| Positions on BrawlHub GG and «Top X %» | Every day at (Ranked: every hour; the next one at ). Skill compared with everyone else: every 6 hours. | Every day at (Ranked: every hour; the next one at ). Skill compared with everyone else: every 6 hours. |
How often a tracked player is checked
| Playing ranked | Every 5m |
|---|---|
| Playing non-stop (25 new battles) | Every 10m |
| Played in the last hour | Every 20m |
| Played in the last 6 hours | Every 45m |
| More than 6 hours without playing | Every 1h |
If they haven’t played since the last check, only their profile is looked at; their battles are fetched as soon as they play again.
Free tracking pauses if the BrawlHub GG account that turned it on hasn’t visited in 14 days.
Player card
An image of the profile to share: pick the format, background and featured brawler.
Skill
Measures skill, not investment: it comes from their Ranked and their trophy records.
- Ranked 8 Best: GOLD II
- Trophy pushing 23 Average of their best 20: 1,045 trophies · 51,847 total trophies · 0 of 7 classes mastered
Current formNormal64% wins in 25 battles
keramicheski’s Skill
How skill is calculated
Two parts, each from 0 to 100. In the ring, each arc is how much a part weighs and its filled section is its score: everything filled adds up to the final score.
- Ranked6 / 80
- Trophy pushing5 / 20
Ranked
8 × 80 % = 6.4 pointsBest: GOLD II
Their all-time best in Ranked, on a scale that rewards the top ranks much more (Pro = 100). During the season their current rank also counts, a little more as the season goes on (up to 20% at the end), so an old best does not weigh the same if they no longer play at that level. They have not played Ranked this season, so only their all-time best counts.
Score when entering each rank
-
Bronze
I0
II1
III2
-
Silver
I3
II4
III5
-
Gold
I6
II8
III10
-
Diamond
I14
II17
III20
-
Mythic
I25
II31
III37
-
Legendary
I54
II62
III70
-
Masters
I78
II84
III90
-
Pro
100
Trophy pushing
23 × 20 % = 4.6 pointsAverage of their best 20: 1,045 trophies · 51,847 total trophies · 0 of 7 classes mastered
Half is the average trophy record of their 20 best brawlers (3,000 = 100; only 20, because having more brawlers pushed is time, not skill). 30% is their total trophies (300,000 = 100). The other 20% is how many of the 7 classes they master: a class counts in full with 2 or more brawlers over 2,000 trophies and half with only one.
Categories
- D 0
- C 35
- B 50
- A 65
- S 80
- SS 90
Reliability goes up one point if they have played Ranked, another if they have played it this season (the data is current) and another once BrawlHub GG knows 2 or more of their seasons.
If they play almost only Ranked or tournaments (more than half of their latest games, without friendlies or modes that give no trophies), Ranked weighs more: from 80 up to 95 when 90% or more of their games are Ranked or tournaments, so having few trophies does not sink the score. It also weighs more if their Ranked score is far ahead of their trophy score (both go from 0 to 100): it starts rising at a 40 difference and reaches 95 at 60 or more. Ranked that far above trophies already shows they play Ranked, even if their latest games were trophy games.
Among the 921,901 players whose skill BrawlHub GG has calculated in the last 30 days (mostly active players: not everyone in the game).
Nothing that is invested counts: power levels, gadgets, gears…
Current form does NOT count towards the score: it is the win rate of their latest battles (without friendlies). The game matches everyone with players of their level, so it shows whether they are on a streak, not how good they are.
Standing on BrawlHub GG
Their place in the BrawlHub GG top 200s and how they compare with the active players we know.
Overall position
It brings together all their stats. For each one we take their «Top X %» against active players (the table) and average them geometrically, so being very high in something really counts. That average is the big figure, the same as in the overall position top 200. Below it, what share of a random sample of active players (seen in the last 7 days) they are ahead of. Updated every day. Skill is not included: it has its own card.
| Category | Position |
|---|---|
| Trophies | Top 27% |
| Ranked | Top 85% |
| Best ranked rank | Top 82% |
| Prestige | Top 9.8% |
| Fame | Top 71% |
| Experience | Top 47% |
| 3v3 victories | Top 85% |
| Showdown victories | Top 22% |
| Brawlers at power 11 | Top 84% |
| Collection | Top 61% |
| Best streak | Top 83% |
BRAWLERS
87 / 108 Collected
SHELLY
1,085
11
BULL
1,015
8
8 POCO
1,006
9
COLT
1,000
8
NITA
1,000
9
EL PRIMO
729
11
1 BROCK
235
8
BARLEY
155
7
9 ROSA
149
7
2 PENNY
1,011
7
2 8-BIT
1,010
9
1 JACKY
1,006
8
1 GUS
1,003
9
3 RICO
1,002
9
4 DYNAMIKE
1,001
9
JESSIE
1,000
8
8 DARRYL
1,000
7
CARL
1,000
7
TICK
168
1
1 NANI
1,087
10
1 TRUNK
1,050
11
1 ASH
1,049
7
FRANK
1,027
11
PAM
1,025
9
EMZ
1,016
8
GRIFF
1,016
9
2 LARRY & LAWRIE
1,010
8
8 GALE
1,007
7
10 COLETTE
1,004
10
1 STU
1,004
10
1 BIBI
1,002
7
BO
1,000
8
EDGAR
1,000
9
1 SHADE
1,000
9
BOLT
370
7
SAM
173
1
5 BELLE
129
7
1 GROM
103
1
1 HANK
79
1
6 MAISIE
75
1
PIPER
73
1
5 MEEPLE
70
1
4 BERRY
51
1
1 LOLA
10
1
1 BONNIE
10
1
BEA
0
1
MANDY
0
1
PEARL
0
1
ANGELO
0
1
DAMIAN
1,090
11
2 GLOWY
1,054
9
1 MORTIS
1,050
9
2 JAE-YONG
1,011
9
1 GIGI
1,009
7
2 SPROUT
1,004
9
3 MAX
1,003
7
FANG
1,003
10
1 MICO
1,003
9
RUFFS
1,000
7
1 R-T
1,000
7
STARR NOVA
1,000
9
TARA
115
8
3 ALLI
108
9
1 MOE
54
9
COSMO
38
1
3 MELODIE
37
6
LOU
0
1
SQUEAK
0
1
EVE
0
1
OTIS
0
1
BUSTER
0
7
CHUCK
0
1
CHARLIE
0
1
CLANCY
0
1
JUJU
0
2
MINA
0
1
VINCE
0
1
SPIKE
1,127
11
CROW
1,000
9
LEON
1,000
8
SANDY
1,000
7
AMBER
1,000
7
PIERCE
1,000
9
NORI
1,000
8
CORDELIUS
0
7
KENJI
0
1
SIRIUS
126
8
Account value
What everything they own would cost in gems
≈ 93,902
GEMS
Doesn’t include cosmetics, rank, trophies or prestige Invested in brawlers:
How recommendations work
-
BRAWLERS87 owned
810302891
23,154
-
Power levels79,850 power points · 169,630 coins
24,948
-
GADGETS71 owned
7,100
-
STAR POWERS48 owned
9,600
-
Hypercharges29 owned
14,500
-
GEARS26 owned
2,600
-
Buffies40 owned
12,000
Brawlers count at the gem price of their rarity; everything else at the game’s rate (10 coins or 10 power points per gem). Cosmetics (skins, pins, sprays and icons) don’t count, because the API only tells us the skin each brawler has equipped; nor do ranked rank, trophies or prestige, which can’t be bought.
To max everything out
Only counts the brawlers they already have.
Includes the brawlers they don’t have yet, from level 1 (unlocking them is not counted).
-
Brawlers to level 1181 missing
245,530
505,925
-
GADGETS103 missing
103,000
-
STAR POWERS126 missing
252,000
-
Hypercharges58 missing
290,000
-
GEARS512 missing
522,000
-
Buffies47 missing
94,000
47,000
-
Total
339,530
1,719,925
≈ 205,946
-
Brawlers to level 11102 missing
324,070
668,990
-
GADGETS145 missing
145,000
-
STAR POWERS168 missing
336,000
-
Hypercharges79 missing
395,000
-
GEARS639 missing
650,000
-
Buffies59 missing
118,000
59,000
-
Total
442,070
2,253,990
≈ 269,606
What money can’t buy
Progress
ExampleStatistics
Last 25 battles (friendly games not included)
BATTLE LOG
- All modes
Mega Showdown 19
Solo Showdown 4
Knockout 2
- All results
- Victory
- Defeat
- Draw
-
1311
LVL11
★彡 HALİL 彡★
1027
LVL11
БРОДЯГА СПРАУТ
860
LVL11
87 | kaюнă
478
LVL10
чисто на яйцах
974
LVL10
jamesonss🏴☠️
1539
LVL11
miraili
987
LVL10
Robert😈🥊
1565
LVL11
DrabbyCrabby
1454
LVL10
Arsyn4ik
1160
LVL11
Kingbradley777
313
LVL10
Djo Emperor
905
LVL11
Kaylie Jenner
416
LVL7
Coconut
1674
LVL11
Israel🥶
257
LVL10
navys
1018
LVL11
Klistoris
606
LVL9
бейби даша
735
LVL11
keramicheski
1425
LVL11
Brawler
1206
LVL11
Qixuan001
-
1923
LVL11
CSR63
1037
LVL11
Lenka
574
LVL9
Минури
598
LVL11
Moonlight
292
LVL9
moises
480
LVL9
RJ|KAK1SH
726
LVL11
keramicheski
808
LVL11
LCP_g_palomba
744
LVL10
Dervi
435
LVL9
DIZZARYx666
953
LVL10
seniparcaliyan
412
LVL7
[ᴅᴀʀᴋ] ᴍᴀɢɪᴄɪᴀɴ
928
LVL11
Sanjiළ
280
LVL11
XYЙ | UNIDEN 🍜
748
LVL11
ENOK
1223
LVL11
uTKu
619
LVL11
t. Jordanoww
627
LVL9
hvb
780
LVL11
ross
221
LVL9
avru12
-
879
LVL11
LOUis_35.0
954
LVL11
benjamingotbenz
882
LVL11
Milica🖤👹
1615
LVL11
kmk gaming
716
LVL11
keramicheski
206
LVL10
downwdownies
411
LVL9
vasilina
226
LVL11
NEXT
535
LVL9
Grieax
304
LVL7
kvat_81
399
LVL8
chepaf
821
LVL11
Patatatulata
904
LVL10
ТЦК
1197
LVL11
mugiwara 😱
600
LVL11
vantakuu
260
LVL11
mr.region
452
LVL10
palamut
723
LVL11
sebiñas
530
LVL11
H1soka
392
LVL11
я не милашкррр
-
711
LVL11
Brawler
733
LVL11
Brawler
726
LVL11
Brawler
718
LVL11
Brawler
691
LVL11
dabdob
708
LVL11
keramicheski
753
LVL11
Brawler
733
LVL11
Brawler
712
LVL11
Brawler
718
LVL11
Brawler
711
LVL10
Brawler
745
LVL11
Brawler
737
LVL11
kenzycute
710
LVL10
Brawler
705
LVL11
Brawler
716
LVL11
ALI
738
LVL11
ukzjjz
755
LVL11
lalu973
707
LVL11
Brawler
731
LVL11
andrijkit11
-
906
LVL11
aca
771
LVL11
MoshiSo
694
LVL11
Reze
1244
LVL11
DARK_M
350
LVL10
Lori
1290
LVL11
Петруха
1037
LVL11
payton
871
LVL7
BundásKenyer🤫
377
LVL7
sonika
295
LVL9
bambou
1006
LVL11
lamacun
708
LVL11
keramicheski
1387
LVL11
Amir
575
LVL10
bobik sdox
1479
LVL11
miro81
900
LVL11
DefensiveFlicks
357
LVL11
maarina.sg
600
LVL11
Aidan
413
LVL9
low.cortisol
849
LVL11
Nitsuo
-
760
LVL11
Aexe
500
LVL10
rorix
1995
LVL11
Cata85
1413
LVL11
elifbabapro44
876
LVL11
Соляра
800
LVL11
giulio ti amo
1316
LVL10
Supreme
702
LVL11
keramicheski
1921
LVL11
Mäx
514
LVL11
HurryKayne
851
LVL11
mokarımı ye
328
LVL11
xTræy
1507
LVL11
noam j
567
LVL10
アントン
1160
LVL11
GOAT ∥ ヤギ ⚜️
743
LVL11
sudee
1581
LVL10
DOUG FIRME
838
LVL11
джа
432
LVL9
FandetontonH
1282
LVL11
lastrain
-
687
LVL11
keramicheski
738
LVL11
Brawler
719
LVL11
Brawler
707
LVL11
Brawler
715
LVL11
Super NiCEZy
720
LVL10
Brawler
726
LVL11
Brawler
725
LVL11
서윤종 입니다
737
LVL10
SLIMY SPROUT
741
LVL11
Brawler
735
LVL11
Brawler
697
LVL11
Brawler
711
LVL11
Brawler
693
LVL10
KENJI MEMORABLE
741
LVL11
Brawler
671
LVL11
Brawler
669
LVL11
tg:@bsdatam
664
LVL11
Brawler
740
LVL11
Brawler
702
LVL11
Brawler
-
736
LVL11
Brawler
738
LVL11
YT.Tornado
736
LVL11
Chmelik
748
LVL11
Brawler
727
LVL11
dd
701
LVL11
Brawler
692
LVL11
Brawler
749
LVL11
Brawler
747
LVL11
Brawler
667
LVL10
Brawler
728
LVL11
petyx
697
LVL11
Ahmet Efe
703
LVL11
Brawler
743
LVL11
MatuszOfTheKing
658
LVL11
Brawler
661
LVL11
Brawler
692
LVL11
keramicheski
707
LVL11
Brawler
737
LVL11
Brawler
710
LVL10
Brawler
-
842
LVL11
LamammadiFasulo
553
LVL11
βγπ
582
LVL11
Blrx Akram
1018
LVL11
🇦🇿AZE/EMO🇦🇿
253
LVL9
интимный прыщик
567
LVL9
qwerty
513
LVL9
フリント|vankiss🤍
968
LVL11
PoopGod
1501
LVL11
KALASHNIKOVA
1702
LVL11
Yokozuna_70
393
LVL9
tola
716
LVL11
𝑏𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑧𝑧
328
LVL11
Mr. pupsik
633
LVL11
Para
424
LVL8
derinalinmisti
848
LVL11
✨️soso✨️
271
LVL9
MikeTheSnowman☃
740
LVL11
Sapessi
679
LVL11
keramicheski
684
LVL10
притистрит
-
465
LVL11
777
1082
LVL11
simonkey
645
LVL7
Aydenw1234555
748
LVL8
maceman
672
LVL11
[ZETA] link
1456
LVL11
1234
809
LVL10
MELODIE FELIZ
731
LVL11
MaRnEta
801
LVL11
KILLER
352
LVL10
CHUPO
756
LVL11
EldenLord
2017
LVL11
irinxz_c
1043
LVL11
B-LO
670
LVL11
YT|Toodyxz
682
LVL11
keramicheski
965
LVL11
thegoat24
770
LVL11
Brys Krispy
966
LVL9
Evil_Toaster
538
LVL11
soniquitob
1588
LVL11
tommy gun
-
581
LVL11
NintendoProFN
987
LVL11
𝕋𝕙𝕖𝕆𝕟𝕖
1005
LVL10
win-ghost
933
LVL11
OhioChicken
815
LVL11
nick
1831
LVL11
the|wizard
673
LVL11
keramicheski
450
LVL11
You
1493
LVL11
亗•MDRodri✿᭄©
605
LVL11
cris
1119
LVL11
𝔍𝔛𝔖𝔘𝔈
348
LVL11
JEMV
234
LVL7
viv
1626
LVL11
yafather🥷
221
LVL9
Yin
459
LVL10
Ordep_X🩸🥷🏻
369
LVL11
Shc
226
LVL9
FINLAY
763
LVL11
God rules
254
LVL7
Masterp777
-
1479
LVL11
pipik XD
928
LVL11
aliyaa
823
LVL11
бебебе
407
LVL11
baxa ment
1224
LVL11
ShowTime
664
LVL11
keramicheski
830
LVL11
Batmannn
278
LVL11
miss
1628
LVL11
YOUSSEF
684
LVL11
AK/Betzi
697
LVL10
xOrange
1499
LVL11
Ellyeizer
1045
LVL11
Robson
280
LVL8
helorae
723
LVL10
Ahmed
778
LVL10
Cbg_
1819
LVL11
GANJAman
242
LVL3
Quintasmk
553
LVL9
meow_bang
1249
LVL9
ady99
-
1385
LVL11
Зеркало
210
LVL11
axN‽alshnx †
1072
LVL11
×S'H'R'E'K¿
426
LVL11
ⓑⓢ
655
LVL11
keramicheski
1516
LVL10
LL|per KAPPA
481
LVL10
max
938
LVL11
нуб без донато
1214
LVL11
快 | reaction 💤
1648
LVL11
рро
1102
LVL11
cibula12
453
LVL10
Funandsadness
593
LVL11
jarajskun🇵🇱
332
LVL11
depre??ed
869
LVL11
moussashi
418
LVL10
😇𝓐𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓵😇
488
LVL11
Alessandro ales
1519
LVL11
mambo
449
LVL11
Kondi
351
LVL11
Jeff
-
880
LVL11
islom7suuuuu
534
LVL11
JesseCrayBoy99
1343
LVL11
kutluhan
1227
LVL11
Ayman_Be
891
LVL9
Әлімжан қазақ
1370
LVL11
YAHYA KAPTAN
635
LVL11
gamer
816
LVL9
ᶫᵒᵛᵉᵧₒᵤツ™
439
LVL9
najjaci
812
LVL11
Tuo_zio0
223
LVL7
*V*
434
LVL11
STAR
514
LVL10
Wolf
657
LVL11
keramicheski
708
LVL11
Noli
505
LVL10
GORGEfullEYES
555
LVL9
barradgood
484
LVL10
Carloss
247
LVL8
🤫🤫🤫
654
LVL11
nanabanana
-
1004
LVL11
maliwxx
579
LVL11
rontti69
1286
LVL11
papabilly
705
LVL10
Донбас
301
LVL10
master_666
269
LVL8
leo
646
LVL11
keramicheski
1157
LVL11
N3cRoM4nc3R
505
LVL11
جاد منجونه
319
LVL9
Conquest
1314
LVL11
leyley💕
385
LVL8
чикибамбОни
1249
LVL9
Tchekebla
1068
LVL11
BOLD BARLEY
601
LVL9
welis69
641
LVL11
меллона
723
LVL11
KevinDurant35
552
LVL11
АК НЕ ЗА ЛЕТО
1167
LVL11
BRUTAL
331
LVL10
BONNIE
-
1345
LVL11
ТОРОПЫГА БОЛТ
1358
LVL11
Gekkebob
830
LVL11
chypep
606
LVL11
Bott_999
444
LVL7
🇪🇸Joan MC🇪🇸
948
LVL11
joaninA
636
LVL11
keramicheski
816
LVL9
MELL_ljnostь®
1163
LVL11
Thor
455
LVL8
Tesla
278
LVL7
emmaaa✨
268
LVL5
fut|tunkor
368
LVL10
I̸҉̸ ̸L̸҉̸ ̸
321
LVL9
Louvay
622
LVL9
[Бан]
526
LVL9
Fred
542
LVL10
zora🥷🏽
257
LVL7
Beelzébub
314
LVL8
clara star
326
LVL6
Melobi★
-
842
LVL11
çileklişeker😛
685
LVL9
shirrro
662
LVL9
LOL
624
LVL10
сигма дудоня
245
LVL9
babos
1279
LVL11
Nas
919
LVL11
шляпунчик
1129
LVL11
sheko
632
LVL11
keramicheski
677
LVL11
BldyMn
827
LVL11
габаа🦄
1120
LVL8
musca
244
LVL3
dail_y
594
LVL11
☆ IRON HEART ☆
1674
LVL11
The Lord Adam
684
LVL9
pepe228
321
LVL9
iksi
883
LVL10
ahmetbabapiro
256
LVL8
soblazn
818
LVL11
trn89k
-
324
LVL11
fL0Pi
769
LVL11
rayy
735
LVL10
stbancal
439
LVL7
М4-А1
993
LVL11
charlou_stitcho
1637
LVL11
עילאי
623
LVL11
keramicheski
622
LVL9
017R
746
LVL11
сплю без мамы
461
LVL10
лайф
1377
LVL11
gnilosh
487
LVL11
yosef
274
LVL8
OGIII🇷🇸
528
LVL11
ОЛЕГ
1083
LVL11
❤RONIYA💛
608
LVL11
HYDRA 2.0
227
LVL9
naruto
896
LVL11
ell
553
LVL11
-_-___-_-
630
LVL11
cebolla
-
607
LVL11
keramicheski
629
LVL10
Brawler
634
LVL11
ACD
658
LVL11
Brawler
600
LVL11
Brawler
656
LVL11
Brawler
679
LVL11
тг: geoxantes
667
LVL10
Brawler
648
LVL11
Brawler
668
LVL11
Brawler
660
LVL11
zer0_bot
633
LVL11
Brawler
564
LVL11
Brawler
627
LVL11
Brawler
677
LVL10
Brawler
589
LVL10
gg/tsmod
667
LVL11
Brawler
615
LVL11
Brawler
662
LVL11
Brawler
612
LVL10
Brawler
-
VS1m 49s
-
VS2m 17s